David Horton 5pts @ullamh-- That is a very big and rather imaginative ‘if’. I haven’t come across anyone who has suggested that a premise that Brexit is predicated or driven by the differing factions in the Conservatives (or even the Labour Party). The factions may be reacting to the changing face of popular opinion, but to suggest that they have a causal or integral influence is simply wrong. This showcase of democracy sees politics following the aspiration and will of the electorate, not the other way round. Something to celebrate.The objective case for Brexit is in millions of people’s opinions, pretty ironclad.The best demonstration of this, is that Cameron went to the member states with a truly weak list of demands.Why?Because he had set the demands as high as he felt possible while being achievable.No serious commentators have suggested that Cameron’s demands were likely to be effective in their aim of reducing migration, but Cameron knew that if he had pitched any higher, member states would have baulked.This to me and seemingly millions of others, makes the case for Brexit. We are clearly so embedded in the EU that we cannot reclaim powers, such as controls over borders, the free movement of workers and dozens of other key issues. Such matters are now legislated on by Brussels where it has sovereign seniority over Westminster. And there is no chance of a return of those powers. This EU intransigence of nationhood, sovereignty, & identity transcends any economic argument presented by the pro-EU lobby. Tony Benn, a man whose politics and mine are polemic, said famously: “If democracy is ever to be threatened, it will not be by revolutionary groups burning government offices and occupying the broadcasting and newspaper offices of the world. It will come from disenchantment, cynicism and despair caused by the realization that the New World Order means we are all to be managed and not represented.”He could have been writing about the United States of Europe that was first proponed by Monnet, Pinay, Salter and othersThe EU is openly and unashamedly unidirectional. It wants greater integration with an objective of a federal future.What chance UK being able to resist, considering the decades of insidious travel towards EU federalisation, with one vote, finally but grudgingly acquiesced in 2016, some forty one years after the last one? To paraphrase Tony Benn again “If one meets a powerful person…ask…how can we get rid of you?Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system.”The EU is creeping inexorably towards a fully federal future. We won’t be able to resist that.If we don’t leave the EU this time, it won’t be many years before we are legally and constitutionally unable to do so.