EnglishTony 5pts Labour are running around like a headless chicken,trying to find a new prettier head to attract members and votes back from UKIP. They tried the Tory side and it lost them members and votes,they are trying hard to get back to the communist side,I fear they will lose even more votes and more members.The labour party is dead,long live the new working mans (and womans) party UKIP !
RikH 5pts Another issue is that the natural split between the 2 camps (Blairites and far-lefties) has come to the surface and in a different way than before. Now it might effectively split the party either in 2 parties/fractions or via mass movement to the competition (SNP/Ukip/Greens) or both. Like cameron if labour wants to tackle that basically existential danger it will have to focus on that and not on individual policies.From there they simply (like Cameron) cannot afford to have unpopular policies (like being anti-referendum) or pro-EU unconditional. They need to get the 3 main groups together (left, social conservative traditional base and academic/(former) civil servant top. The latter will get considerably more difficult if they take explicit standpoints unpopular with any of these groups majorities.
RikH 5pts Following the last couple of days this issue it seems like Labour still doesnot have a coherent policy on this issue. One that would see approval of likely a considerable majority of their voter base.The correct one would be very similar to Cameron's only less business oriented and more focussed on being able as a souvereign country to assure basic rights for workers than in a Europe with almost 3rd world countries like Bulgaria (and in the future even worse than that). EU needs to be reformed and we are sure we can achieve that and subsequently the population will decide. Labour simply goes wrong on how they want to achieve it (reforms), even more as an opposition party and their views on the referendum (it still looks that they only reluctantly accept that, forced by the facts on the ground).Same with the leadership issue. The ideal candidate would be Blairish (but not called that way and not connected to Blair himself). Left side of that group. Acceptabel for the far lefties. No academic image like people with Mi(l)li in their family name.The worst possible profile would be far left academic. With stress on the far left. Likely the split(s) in the party will go via move to alternative parties. All alternatives realistically speaking are on the right at least not traditional (hard core) far left: Greens; Ukip, SNP, LibDem). A relatively unappealing far lefty is not that far from that worst possible profile.Looks to me therefor that Labour will basically be busy with themselves and the future direction of their party. And be very volatile in their views on specific issues (like under the Mili-regime), which makes theit views rather unpredictable longer term. Anyway the question is how much influence the official view of a party, that changes that view by the week, will have. Probably not very much. Not in government but opposition, wasted the opportunity to make the reneg a national project, electorate will decide. In other words Labour seems more and more a 'quantite negligeable' on this issue.
CraneMaggie 5pts @OpenEurope @jeremycorbyn @pswidlicki At least he is not totally enamoured with EU, something to be said for him, although would change!
sylvesterthecat 5pts Whoever turned out to be the winner of this bunfight could offer Corbin the Labour Spokesman on European Matters post.Now wouldn't that be fun.